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Suds Report — Is GL Cancelled?; TVGC
Topic Started: Nov 28 2008, 10:05 PM (2,585 Views)
hunterforrester
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http://tvguide.sympatico.msn.ca/Soaps/Suds/Articles/081128_news_nelson_NB
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Mason


It's sad to say, but I really do hope GL is cancelled soon.
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NavJLee8785
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Honestly, it would not upset me if GL was canceled. But then, I will look at it and go, "Damn, the oldest soap is off the air. What does the rest of the future hold for soaps?"
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daysfan
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Guiding Light, the oldest soap on air, that the great Irna Philips greated, was gone years ago. Years ago..this is just an imposter with the name Guiding Light, and a disgrace to one of Philip's greatest creations.
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King
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A lot of interesting tidbits this week.

Wheeler really needs to stay away from soaps, but I bet she'll come to ATWT when GL is canceled.

Interesting about Sweeney taking a cut!
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Mason


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Nov 28 2008, 11:05 PM
Wheeler really needs to stay away from soaps, but I bet she'll come to ATWT when GL is canceled.
It wouldn't surprise me. Once GL is gone, P&G will probably send her over to ATWT to finish that show off.
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Rick
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I always thought GL/ATWT were a package deal? Would they cancel one and keep the other?
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I wonder what's going to happen to the writers listed.

I'm glad to hear Sweeney joined Alfonso and Reckell in taking a paycut. As DAYS proved, no one actor is the show. This is an ensemble. And if some have to take paycuts, everyone should have to take paycuts.
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ladyofthelake
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Well, honestly, TV shows can't go on forever. It's amazing that a soap that started as a radio program in the Depression is still going on, but if it's on life support, well.....
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ladyofthelake
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By the way, Nelson, I think that OLTL episode was titled "One Flew over the Turkey's Nest", if I'm not mistaken......Those titles are usually twisted just a little.......
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DanielRand


Mason
Nov 28 2008, 11:19 PM
King
Nov 28 2008, 11:05 PM
Wheeler really needs to stay away from soaps, but I bet she'll come to ATWT when GL is canceled.
It wouldn't surprise me. Once GL is gone, P&G will probably send her over to ATWT to finish that show off.
I believe that GL and ATWT have been a package deal since the 1990s...it made sense from a business standpoint. When P&G had five shows, the costs of running a television division (lawyers, insurance, publicity, management, etc.) could be distributed without any pain. But when you're down to two shows, that overhead hurts. One show? Forget it. P&G would ax ATWT even if CBS wanted to keep it...they couldn't make a reasonable profit. There is precedent for this...it was P&G, not ABC, that ended Edge of Night. It wasn't making enough money to suit them.

I wonder if the recent passage of the shows from P&G Productions to TeleVest might have changed things? Maybe TeleVest now carries the overhead and P&G gets the profit. That might allow ATWT to survive, but probably with budget cuts that will make GL's present budget seem luxurious.

Got to say...I've been a day-to-day viewer of Guiding Light since early 1983. Rarely miss a day and still keep with it...the show is a weekend pastime for me, an old friend. I know it is not the show it once was, but it still has entertainment value. The glee over its impending cancellation on this board hurts a bit. Like the soap heroes and heroines, I believe in fighting to survive until the end...and in miracles (remember Gloria Monty and a low rated General Hospital?). I see a chance for Guiding Light if someone at CBS or P&G or TeleVest would change the management. The production model could be salvaged (using tripods would be a tremendous first step) and the storylines could be too with a single vision (read: one head writer who is not David Kreizman). The cast is still a rich well of talent.

Sadly, time is running out, so I'll enjoy the time I have left with Olivia, Josh, Frank, Buzz, Vanessa, Billy, Natalia, Reva and the rest, knowing the clock is counting down. Maybe a miracle will come along in the meantime...?

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Nov 29 2008, 01:47 PM
The glee over its impending cancellation on this board hurts a bit.
I don't think anyone's "gleeful" over GL's impending demise. No one has been wishing for it to come to this. Personally, I want it to be cancelled so Wheeler, Kreizman and Co can't destroy it any further than they already have (if possible). It's just sad to see what it's been reduced to. It's like seeing a loved one being kept alive on life support. They're there, but they're not really there.
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King
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It really is just amazing how long Ellen Wheeler has been employed now. She is just an abomination. Has she made any good decisions? Anyone else would have been fired by now. I am pretty good at giving soap execs a break and not being all personal about it like Corday and Frons...I can admit I think they are good people and doing what they need to or what they think is right...but Wheeler - Ugh! I can't stand that woman.
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I think we'd be more gleeful if someone at CBS finally woke up and realized Wheeler's vision for the show is not working. In the old days, P&G would have thrown an underperforming writer or producer team out the door, but the fact they've left Wheeler in charge just shows how much they don't give a shit.

As for Kreizman, he started out with a lot of promise and his early stories were pretty good. It's when he started playing Russian Roulette with the show's couples and creating ill-matched pairs that I started going "what the hell is this?"

Guiding Light, along with ATWT and Days, is my lineup (with occasional peeks at OLTL to check out Ron's handiwork). I can sympathize with people saying this isn't GL. Hopefully Grant's return does something.
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I would not be shocked if this soap was cancelled. It has been on its last leg for years. Sometimes you just have to let go.
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MichaelGL
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Here's my POV...

It hurts me to choose not to watch GL every weekday at 3 pm, bc the show has gotten so bad, that me a survivor of the clone, san cristobel, time travel, and Ellen Weston cannot take one second of Mallet and Marina, Alan and Beth as a couple, and the Coopers.

Watching GL at 3 pm was a habit I had to break because I found myself asking "What the fuck?" at every scene. I no longer recognize the show, and what I do see I strongly find myself disliking.

I've been so cut off from GL for so long, I seriously can't say that if the current TPTB were fired that the show would improve. It probably would to some degree, but EW and DK have been at GL for so long alot of what they've done cannot be erased from my memory and they have destroyed alot of the characters for me.
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MichaelGL
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Edited by MichaelGL, Nov 29 2008, 02:42 PM.
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Nov 29 2008, 01:57 PM
It really is just amazing how long Ellen Wheeler has been employed now. She is just an abomination. Has she made any good decisions? Anyone else would have been fired by now.
In fairness to Wheeler(since I know everyone, including myself, gets glee out of taking a shit on her), she did the best she could with GL's budget woes and turned out quality product for awhile(pre-Format Change). She and her writing staff did the best they could with the limitations given. Could they have made better choices(keeping Zimmer when she refused to take a paycut and firing or threatening others who refuse to do so, The crappy Main Street set with no chirping birds or outdoor sounds in the background, etc.)? Absolutely. But she did the best she could considering.

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I wonder if the recent passage of the shows from P&G Productions to TeleVest might have changed things? Maybe TeleVest now carries the overhead and P&G gets the profit. That might allow ATWT to survive, but probably with budget cuts that will make GL's present budget seem luxurious.


TeleNext Media is merely a subsidiary of Procter and Gamble Productions, if I am not mistaken.

Bloom should have given up on PGP ages ago and focused on developing a 3rd soap in ATWT's timeslot so she could have a solid 1-2-3 in the Households and a 1-2 in the demos.

I'm willing to bet that without ATWT and GL(or even a third soap, hopefully network owned), her position will be phased out as daytime prexy, ala NBC. Y&R and B&B are very much self governing bodies. All the Bell shows really need is someone telling them, "You can't say cunt on daytime TV" or "This is too violent." etc. They don't need someone telling them they can't do crossovers or tie-ins, etc. And if our economy continues to plummet in the New Year, causing CBS to go from four soaps to two, Bloom's job is expendable.

There's already gossip that THE PRICE IS RIGHT is underperforming and that CBS affiliates are not happy and if the ratings don't perk up, the show may be sold into syndication as early as next fall.

It will be interesting to see what happens to CBS Daytime as a whole when GL is cancelled. I can't imagine the higher-ups at CBS are happy with having a daily student film on network television. The show is the laughing stock of the industry, even if they have improved their audio and lighting.
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I don't really know if I agree with that. I think she actually made things worse at every turn. I don't think she made one good move. Not one.

I don't think she's evil or anything. I just think he's stupid.
Edited by King, Nov 29 2008, 03:51 PM.
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DanielRand


I agree with IHeartDRRick in that from a purely production standpoint, prior to the new production model, Wheeler did a passable job with the material she had at her disposal. GL does have the smallest studio and budget in daytime.

Her biggest mistake, though, was her inexplicable refusal to replace David Kreizman back in early 2006. It seem that viewers are more adept at picking up on when a writer isn't cutting it or has run out of steam. For whatever reason, she insisted on keeping him on even after his big story (the Phillip murder mystery) ended and he seemed to have no idea what came next. A new writer might have penned stories that would have kept viewers on board even through the introduction of the new production model. As Agnes Nixon says, story is king.

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